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>> Dynamic Coalition on schools and Internet governance session. We have a fairly full agenda. We don't quite have everybody in the room yet, but we can get started.
So the first thing ‑‑ let me just go through the agenda that we've got. We've got two moderators. We've got Satish Babu and Olga who will be joining us. I'm not sure if we have any of our Rapporteurs in the room but we'll take care of that. We have ‑‑ basically there's three sections in this. In the first one we'll be talking about schools and we'll invite Satish Babu and Olga, we'll invite new speakers, people that have new schools to come up. What we had showing before and hopefully can keep showing for a little while is that single slide from many of the schools that we're not going to invite to speak a lot about their schools but just to have their slides appearing for a short bit of time.
Then we'll have a second section where we're basically take three of the SDGs and we'll have presentations on those SDGs in terms of what are various schools doing in them. And then finally we'll have a discussion with what time we have left, with what the Dynamic Coalition on schools would like to do.
So with that, I'd like to pass it to you, Satish Babu, to sort of go into the introduction of the schools and such. Thanks.
>> Satish Babu: Thanks very much Aubrey. I'm Satish Babu. Based out of India, part of the I ‑‑ one is the APSIG/inSIG school on governance, founded in 200015, the second is the India school founded in 2016. We have a bunch of slides on different schools. We can quickly run through them. We don't want to kind of stop.
This first one is about the African school on Internet governance.
This is the Asia‑Pacific school as I mentioned founded in 2015 and planning this year's edition in manila.
Next.
Argentina.
As you can see Olga is not here but she's the one part of this. Next.
This is the Armenian SIG.
Next. The Chad SIG. We have a representative from Chad. So later on in the interaction we can speak about it if you want to highlight anything.
Next, Ghana, anybody from Ghana school here? No, nobody's from ‑‑ sorry?
>> Audience: (Away from microphone).
>> Satish Babu: Yeah, next.
This is European summer school. I am an alumni and other alumni here.
This is India school founded in 2016. A couple of weeks back we had the eighth edition in India. Next. NASIG, a school, North American school created by the ICANN community at large people, Glen and others. I don't think there's anybody from that school here.
Next.
This is a Nigerian school on Internet governance. Is anybody here from Nigeria for the school? No. Next.
Pakistan, we have a cause here from Pakistan. PKSIG. One of the earliest schools in Asia‑Pacific and certainly in south Asia, the first in south Asia.
Next. The Russian school on ‑‑ summer school on Internet governance. St. Petersburg university.
Next.
This is south school ‑‑ oh, Olga school. This is one of the oldest again, in the world actually.
This is Sri Lanka IGF which also doubles as a SIG. So it's a kind of combined structure. Next.
Virtual school. This is sort of by again Glen Mcnight and Alfredo who are part of the ICANN community. And when the COVID shut down came up, this was their response to the shut down and it is now continuing as a virtual school.
Next.
Chad, second time it's coming, I think. (Chuckles).
That's it? So these are the schools that we have in this slide deck. Are there anybody from any of the schools not mentioned so far? So we can quickly introduce yourself.
Yeah, Japan.
>> Okay, I'm from Beniv and school Internet governance.
>> Satish Babu: Thanks for that. We have one more school which is brand‑new and Abby's going to introduce that school.
>> Actually going to invite an introduction to that school and Tadeshek, if you would like to. I don't know if you could hear me. Would you like to introduce the new Japan school? While we're talking about it, let me talk about an event that they had. KCG this year just before this meeting started had basically a whole day session where there was a youth session and they introduced ‑‑ they basically had a session of the school. And it was really quite an interesting day in terms of the students and having sessions and such.
Would you like to actually come and introduce the new school that you're doing in Japan, the Japan school? Yeah.
>> Audience: Thank you everybody, my name is Soshi from Japan school of Internet governance. We start this spring. Last year I met her at the IGF last one. So I know slightly about school Internet governance but what is Internet ‑‑ school Internet governance? What, very confused. But at the time I found what is school of Internet governance. So in 2018, we have a big discussion about pilot site. You may know at the IGF they had a big booth about that, the pilot site. So in 2019, I started to teach in the university, talk about a pilot site of Internet governance. So I also ‑‑ I'm a professor in Kyoto. So then I start again this year, but how you say, Internet governance. So then I'm very happy to ‑‑ many of you to Kyoto and I hope that we have a ‑‑ how can I say, promotion of Internet governance and exchange the ‑‑ for more information and help us.
Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. And quite looking forward. So back to you. I don't know if there are any other new schools here that want to introduce themselves before we move on?
>> Satish Babu: So I'd like to ask anybody who's online whether they represent any schools, Internet governance schools or Internet governments? If there are some of them, please raise your hand.
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>> Satish Babu: I don't see any hands. So I'm assuming that ‑‑ so we have quickly gone through the slides, but the agenda of the session we have some discussion time. We have Olga, or moderator who's coming up just now.
So we have time at the end of the session to discuss.
>> Olga: (Away from microphone).
>> Satish Babu. So back to you. This is the pregathering.
>> Thank you. So, yeah, give yourself a chance to breathe, but we basically have gone through the new schools, invited new schools, the new Japan school discussed a little bit. I talked a little bit about the event that occurred earlier this week at KCG. And we're now at the point where we're going to talk about SDGs and schools. And that's good that we're giving this a fair amount of time. We're going to have three of the SDGs are going to be discussed. The first one, and I'll just start this, the first one will be on SDG five on gender, the second, SDG seven on energy, and the third, SDG 16 on peace justice and strong institutions.
So I don't know, Olga, if you wanted to introduce the whole theme more than I just did?
>> Olga: One of the purposes of this session to try to find linkages in between what we do at the different schools of Internet governance and the sustainable development goals. There are some ‑‑ some of the activities, I would say that several of the activities that we do with the schools in different focuses of training are totally related with the different SDGs. So this is why Sandra, myself ‑‑ I don't know if we have other colleagues talking about different SDGs, we would like to explain some of the activities that we do in relation with this SDGs. And perhaps some other schools that are in the room could maybe jump up and share some other activities that are related with this issue.
Sandra, would you like to go to the gender issue? And then I will follow with the energy.
>> Yes, thank you very much. Welcome everyone, my name is Sandra, I'm the organizer of the European governance, which is a global school. The euro just comes from the fact that we are based in Europe but we are inviting globally and I'm proud to say that we were the first school on Internet governance and it's really amazing to see how many schools evolved over the years and, yeah, how this became a movement with a really great impact.
Speaking about impact, I would like to focus a little bit on SDG which is receive gender equality and empower all women and girls and there are several under achievements or under goals that are defined and I looked at those who are most relevant to schools on Internet governance which I believe is 5.5, ensure woman's full and effective participation and equal opportunities for leadership at all level of decision making and political economic and public life. I do believe that schools of Internet governance do contribute to this goal because most of the schools are not only focused on youth engagement and participation but indeed are an opportunity for young professionals to get holistic knowledge about Internet governance, which then helps them to serve on certain boards or take leadership positions on organizations that are dealing with Internet governance.
In SDGs, usually there are also indicators mentioned that support or that are supporting numbers for the respective goal. I have here a number from Germany only the proportion of women in managerial positions in Germany in 2014, it was only 21 percent and in 2018, not much progress has been made. It's only 23 percent. So you see there is still a lot of work to do in order to get really the women into managerial positions.
Same applies for women in parliament or local or government. Ums here little progress has been made, if I look at the numbers, at even lower but this is in a very small range. So I would not go into much detail, but it's around 30 to 40 percent of women that are in Germany in local governments or in parliament, international Parliaments. But I want to focus a little bit on the second goal which applies to schools, which is goal 5. B, enhance the youth of enabling technology in particular Information and Communications Technology to promote the empowerment of women. The respective indicator is not really related to what we are doing at our schools because it shows the proportion of individuals who are own a mobile phone by sex. I think this is nothing that is relevant for us but I think the overall goal enhance the youth of enabling technology in particular Information and Communications Technology to promote the empowerment of women. I do think this is really indeed the goal where the schools of Internet governance should possibly provide an indicator because here I can say speaking from the European summer school, I can realize over the past ten years the participation of women and application rate of women is much bigger than the application and the participation rate of men. So what does it tell us? Women are more obviously willing to dedicate vacation time or education time and travel costs or participation costs in order to participate in (coughs) in such a summer course. Sorry (cough)s sorry, in order to have in our classes I sometimes indeed looking for male participants that are qualified and can participate in our school. This is something that might look other in different regions of the world but I wanted to give you this very personal view or very local view from the school that I'm running. But I have also consulted with UNESCO and we had a discussion in my senate, our school. And UNESCO numbers prove that the gap, at least in primary schools have narrowed tremendously over the past years. There are still gap remaining in adult education and here I do believe we can pick up the qualified women that are coming from a really good qualification in the primary school, we can pick them up and include them in our courses and here I do believe the schools on Internet governance looking at them from a perspective of what I can contribute to the SDGs can really do and are doing a wonderful job and are creating a good opportunity for adult education, which, of course, then at some point should also lead to bring women into more leadership position not only in managerial but also in parliament and governments.
I have some resources here so whoever is interested, I'm happy to share those. They are from as I said UNESCO, science pool Paris but also from the World bank. If you would like to have some more details, I don't go into those details right now.
Thank you.
>> Olga: Thank you very much, Sandra. And apologies for being late. I was confused. I thought this session was at 11:00 and I was running from other session this morning.
My name is Olga Cavalli, me and other colleagues from Latin America we run the south Internet governance. I think it was the second one in the history. And it is interesting what Sandra says that after the pandemic we went to a hybrid format and now we have fellows mainly from Latin America which is the focus but we have if he will Lowe's from all over the world. We have a translation all the time between Spanish and English and also this year we organized it into northeastern Brazil also in Portuguese. So it has become somehow global, which is ‑‑ but the focus is Latin America or the Americas because it has been organized also in North America and in the Caribbean.
About the SDG that I wanted to comment, which is No. 7, focused on ensure access to affordable reliable sustainable and modern energy for all, access to energy is important pillar for the well‑being of people as well as for economic development and poverty alleviation. I think schools have a major role from different perspectives related with energy and also we have to think energy very much linked with climate change. Which is a problem for several ‑‑ forth whole world but especially for developing countries that are suffering consequences, perhaps happening in other parts of the world. So about energy we have in our school we had several panels about the impact of what would happen if we would achieve connectivity for all? What would happen with climate change? What would happen with the demand of energy? So power in the Internet consume 800 telewatts of elect in 2012, 22 and it is expected to increase this year and the next year. And I have some information from different sources. The energy consumption of the Internet will double by 2030. So the consume of energy is ‑‑ will be a major issue and the impact they may have in climate change may be relevant for many countries, including the demand that we'll have by AI and other new developments, internal things and many automatic devices all over the world. There is another aspect of the energy, which is there are ‑‑ it's difficult to understand really but there are areas in the world that don't have elect today. So in the schools we can talk about different stakeholders, professionals from developing economies, developing countries in trying to bridge that gap of areas that don't have elect. Imagine having no elect, it's perhaps for many of us we cannot imagine. We were talking in Brazil with fellows from living in the Amazonian area. They don't have roads. They only get there by boat and the only Internet they have having today is the one by star link with some mobile ‑‑ star link with the low earth orbit satellites and government installing some fiber opticals through the Amazons, but some parts of that region don't even have elect. So the work that we do in the schools in talking with different professionals, governments, and different stakeholders in trying to enhance the reach of elect and the good use of elect and impact in climate change will be ‑‑ it's very important. Also, there's a new concept called the energy ‑‑ the Internet of energy. It means the Internet of Things but focus on energy. Focus on all the devices that control and manage the energy as a critical infrastructure. So includes generation, transmission, functionality, and energy usage. So that is a new area of work that we may include in the issues that we review in the schools. So this is what I wanted to share with you. I have some resources here also about energy and climate change. If you want I can send them to you. Maybe in the audience there are schools that could share some ideas about the sustainable development goals.
Do you think that's do we have time.
>> Satish Babu: We have one more speak. Please come. This is SDGs ‑‑
>> After we finish with Alexander, we can see if others want to comment either on the schools ‑‑ I mean the SDGs that have already been discussed or on others.
>> Hello. My name is Alexander and I teach Internet governance in Moscow university in Russia. And I would like to talk about SDG 16, which sounds promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, to justice for all and build accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels. So I would like to start talking about how schools of Internet governance could help build effective accountable and inclusive institutions. Actually, one of Internet governance institutions about which you have to talk at your school it's an Internet engineering task force and this is most effective for working standardization board because actually if it works it becomes standard. If it does not work it's not standard. It's much more effect than ITU, for example. Or another example which we are bringing in schools of Internet governance is actually ICANN, which is full demonstratively inclusive with different group of stakeholders, different group of possibilities and for sure it's keeping diversity which might not be enforced in some societies. So likes Sandra Olga from developed countries, Russia is now slowly going back to previous and then we have to bring this to our students information about how governance works. In our school we talk not only about classical Internet governance institutions but also touch classical like ITU also different reach governance of technologies or working with communities like open source community managing NGOs. We can either ‑‑ so such examples of inclusion and effectiveness again if you are not in the west and other stakeholder group could be really impressive. One of my students reported after our course is that we were telling like science fictions about Universites that doesn't exist. But any way if you can bring such examples in your country, you can bring examples of such working institutions and actually people usually knows that Internet works. You can show relations to what people see Internet to how it's existed. So I can talk a lot of this maybe just to save time I will not give exact targets of this goal but there are like 17 ‑‑ 16.7, dot eight, something we should be more precise in this case. Also this goal is about peace and promote peace thing for Russia is very important. I will give just one quote from very favorite American writer Mark Twain. Yeah. Once many years ago he said that travel is bigotry and narrow mindedness, sorry, and actually of this world are source of current force and conflict. Now for many countries young people are not able to travel and actually be cured from ‑‑ something like this. Internet supposed to bring us to many different places. Internet governance demonstration to our students shows experiences from many different countries. Usually schools of Internet govern advance invites guests from different schools something like so demonstration to that world is different. World is interesting. Other people in the world just interesting. They are so interesting for you and your students are interesting for them and Internet is not just source for dangerous information but via governance people start understanding each other and spreading this into their countries and that could bring peace to our planet more effectively.
Thank you.
>> Olga: Thanks to you. Bravo.
We have a mic. Maybe you can join in the mic.
>> My name is Carson, part of the team at the Parkinson's Internet school of governance. Last week we had our ninth edition in this seventh different city of Pakistan. Our models are a little bit different. We ‑‑ we actually go to a different city every year. There are pros and cons, I won't go into details.
But there are two SDGs that I wanted to mention which are actually part of what we do things at SIGGs. One is 8.6 by 2020 youth not in employment educational training. Since we educate people we train people about Internet governance and we also in case in our school we have full‑fledged session about Internet enter paren neural opportunities. So we might people who have been digital initiatives that led to successful ventures. Inspire the youth seeing as economic empowerment tool as well.
The second one I would like to mention is 9.5, sub clause ‑‑ 9.5C it would be then eventually. Significantly increase access to information and communication technology and strive to provide affordable access in these developing countries by 2020. I'm sure many of the other schools do this as well but we also invite mobile Internet operators to the schools just to provide information about their plans on going to these particular areas or maybe going for example last year we were in the hometown of K2, a mountainous area, tough terrain and all, Internet access is a big problem. We invited local operators to talk to people at the school and to share what are their plans actually provide Internet access to these areas. Similarly we also invite our ministry and our regulators to come up and inform the audience about what are the eventual plans and what is the region to provide Internet access to different areas of Pakistan so I just wanted to mention ‑‑
>> You mentioned that you rotate among cities. We do exactly the same. We organize a school every time in different cities in the Americas which is as you said has good things and complicated things because you have to start from scratch in every school but at the same time you are more keen to go into different communities and different countries and so commend you for that.
>> New challenge for us every year being organizers but much easier for that community to become part of the school.
>> Olga: Thank you. We have another. Ariel, thank you.
>> Audience: Apologies for being late. Also new security measures by the way. You cannot go through the other entrance. Everything took longer. My name is Anrietta. I'm the organizer of the African school on Internet governance. We've just had our 11th school. It's a joint initiative of research ICT, Capetown, African Union commission and association for progressive communications. I wanted to speak to SDG five. I know Sandra's already spoken. I'm not sure that I covered but maybe we covered in different ways, Africa is a little bit different from some of the other schools and it's more of a leadership development event that targets sort of middle to senior management in government, regulators and in Civil Society. This year, for example, we had members of parliament. We had six that are also here part of the UN parliamentary track and we often have deputy director level of heads of regulatory agencies. So we actually target people that are active in the digital Internet or ICT policy context but that don't have a strong grasp of Internet governance. The way we deal with gender is firstly we always have at least 50 percent of our participants women and faculty. We really emphasize having other women presenters, women thought leaders. We also actually really emphasize having African experts. There's a lot of training that's done in Africa, particularly even by the African union. And it's done by DIPLO and does excellent work but they bring mostly presenters from other parts of the world. We really try to focus on having African experts. And we deal with gender based violence. That's the one SDG five target we address. We deal with the one leadership development which I also euro SIGG does really well. And then the one on policy. And then we focus particularly on access and we look in quite a granular way in what conditions in African countries lead to a gender digital divide both at the demand and supply side and then tour regulators for example by making universal service funds more gender aware can actually have a positive impact on that.
And yeah, I can share more. And we also do evaluations and mention this every year because I think it's such a good methodology. I want to share it with the other schools. We do tracer studies. Where we do ‑‑ we look back on four, five, ten years of the school and have independent research done on how people that were in the school have had the thinking about the multistakeholder process change and how it has influenced their career. We have an alumni network like Euro SIGG as well and would actually like to collaborate more on finding innovative ways on strength. So we're quite similar in some ways.
Thank you.
>> Olga: Thank you.
more comments on this? Oh, yes, go ahead
>> Anrietta: Something we do very interesting and difficult thing we do. We deal with LGBTQ issues. And we try and deal with them in a very sensitive way because we have people from African governments and regulators but we bring them together with Civil Society and human rights activists. We try and deal with some of the sensitive issues, including Internet shut downs in a way where we create a trusted environment where you can actually have a conversation not always reach consensus but actually build better understanding of the differences of the perspectives.
>> Olga: Interesting. Thank you very much, Anrietta.
More comments? Yeah.
>> Audience: Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity. I'm Sharaf, coordinator of the ‑‑ Internet governance. I just want to share information about the Bangladesh SIGG. We are trying to making a bridge to our school with urban and rural people. Because you know always the rural people having the scenario they cannot connect with the main stream people.
>> I'm sorry, is it about SDGs? Because this part is about SDGs.
>> Audience. Yeah, we focused on gender five which is gender quality and we were trying to include in the transgender communities also with the SIGG. And another one is SDG nine industry of the infrastructure because rural people ‑‑ a lot of rural students have lots of ideas but that can implement like the students college so we are trying to working on that. Thank you so much.
>> Olga: Thanks to you. We have some Bangladesh students on this call. Since we've started to become hybrid and during the pandemic it's very interesting. For some reason Bangladesh shall maybe it's because of ‑‑
>> Audience: We also big fan of Argentina.
>> Olga: Good to know.
>> If I could add as part of what was going on this week in Japan at the Kyoto school, they gave a very extensive presentation on their school, which was really quite enlightening.
>> Olga: Fantastic. Thank you so much.
Bravo.
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>> Olga: More comments about SDGs? Do we have someone remote that maybe want to say something? I'm not in the ‑‑
>> Satish Babu: Is there anybody in the Zoom room that would like to make a presentation?
>> I do wonder where our remote moderator is here because I haven't been following ‑‑ I haven't seen them. So I'm sort of doing that role.
>> Satish Babu: Is not there online.
>> I've got one comment here, which was Dynamic Coalition ‑‑
>> Satish Babu: Actually the comment is about ethics, whether the courses cover ethics and that was original comment and then you have ‑‑
>> And then there was one that robotics, talked about E health access in remote areas. So I'm wondering whether that ‑‑ you know, the schools ‑‑ but it really didn't talk about a school in the SDG.
>> Satish Babu: We'll pick it up in the next part.
>> Audience: I have a question. So to all of you and including ourselves who deal with the SDGs, do you deal with them explicitly? So we for example also deal with some of the other SDGs like, you know, we have human rights, I'm sure other schools have two, but do you actually in your curriculum and agenda have sessions that go over the SDG process, that links it to the WSIS process? So, you know, I'm just curious. It's not something we actually do. We talk about the WSIS process and indirectly we address SDGs but we're not directly. So I'd like to know how you feel about that.
>> If I may, in 2017, the whole school that we organize in Rio with the ‑‑ was totally focused on SDGs. At that time we prepared the whole program in trying to focus in all aspects of SDG. What we do every year is we have a kind of a general focus. This year was sustainable development and general intelligence. As we go through all aspects of ‑‑ we try to bring some experts, some special focus some days on these issues. In 2017 we did especially focus on SDGs. But, you know, you have those issues in the program always, especially with climate change we have had several also with energy, not all of it but sometimes.
Yes, please.
>> Okay. Actually in Russian federation a bit obscure. So it's not very public and so on. Because maybe since Soviet Union, well, we have the country at whole generally have good access to water, have good healthcare and something like and then maybe government think it should not be done and other things and some SDGs like ninth and 16th a bit obscure so we have a separate part to follow a course which just explaining how things are going around United Nations. We also talking about SDGs, just an informational purpose for people if they come to such audiences not to be wondering what SDG why it's happening and something like.
>> Satish Babu: The two schools that I'm associated with, neither of them explicitly highlight the SDGs. We have subjects and topics around them but not directly SDGs.
>> Sandra: The SDGs were adopted in 2015. At that time many schools were already running. And so the curriculars were developed without looking into SDGs, but I think it's good that we are using this session in particular to see how our schools naturally address many of the SDGs and I found it very valuable also the comments from the audience what SDGs are relevant in which region because as Alexander said also in Open/Secure you don't read much about SDGs and I'm pretty impressed how visible the SDGs are here in Japan. You can see them in some windows. You can see them on the cars that remove the trash. And it's pretty amazing to me that there's a much greater awareness of these important goals here in Japan and I could realize that is the case in Open/Secure and possibly elsewhere. I think we could also pick up what Japan is doing in this regard.
>> Satish Babu: There is a comment for Varkas, because he mentioned the mountainous areas. This DTN that be ‑‑ DTN has come up for a comment for you.
So any other digital related discussions or interventions? Yes, please.
>> Audience: Hi, everyone. It's Basha from Chad. Thank you for the speaker about SDG. But us, you know, we are doing ‑‑ we contribute to SDG now, our school, because what we are doing is good quality of education. So with the school we teach people, we interact with them, I think it contributed to SDG. Sos it not like physical person. It's like objects that we can help to attain, like gender. So bring women inside, teaching them, I think that is contribute to gender balance. When you talk about climate change, how to save in energy what Olga said is also very important also. Because what we are doing, our SDG we have problem with elect also. So we bring with school to have sustainable elect because when you don't have elect you don't have projection of slide. You don't have anything so school is down. So I think everything what we are doing is linked to SDG. So what Anrietta said how you can improve that because SDG, it ‑‑ the mandate will be start and something like this and how we can incorporate in our agenda is very important. As she said so we can have a workshop, just link it to SDG but in Africa we have agenda 2063 also so it's linked to SDG. So how to localize this SDG and.
>> Olga: Thanks to you. No more comments about SDGs? No. So move to the next section. So it's round table discussion which is not round but it's a concept really round table.
>> Really hard to get a real round table at these meetings.
>> How do we see schools and training in Internet governance evolving? So we want to discuss with you this concept and value of schools in reinforcing relevance. I have some names here in the list but I don't know if someone wants ‑‑
>> Satish Babu. So like I said, I am associated with two schools and one of them is the India school and let me share very briefly what we have achieved. When the primary school function is capacity building basically but beyond that, that is a first deliverable but what we have done, would he have experienced is that in large countries like India, this provides a platform for people to come together from different parts on to one table. So that is quite an enabling thing. What India school did was after two editions it started incubating the India youth IGF. Now, that has just completed six years now. That's a mature organization now. The second thing we did was associated with the DFC and Martin is here from DFC. And we started to apply series of work shops. This is capacity building again on cybersecurity related norms, practices and so on. Two weeks back we finished the fourth edition of that workshop. Gives us the platform to pick up new things which otherwise cannot be taken up. Giving a lot of people from different backgrounds actually that is a multistakeholder system itself. Unlike Brazil which has ‑‑ we don't have anything similar to that in India. Schools actually provide initial multistakeholder model. Without any mandate, we have kind of assumed that mandate. So what India school did then was to kind of we push for the India IGF, not happening for the longest time. So the school itself took the initiative and pushed the government and got together. So now we have in the third India IGF, attributable to the school, come up as action item, is that we're going to start an India project measuring Internet, the quality of Internet. Again, that's come from the school. So the school is not just a school. It is actually an organization that can have much broader ramifications. So I'll stop here.
>> Olga: Thank you, this is very interesting. I would like to share with you some evolution talking about schools of Internet governance evolving. We started 15 years ago. This is our 15th edition just happened in September, and after ‑‑ once we finished school we do a survey with the if he will Lowe's and with the experts and they started to ask information previously to the week. They needed more ‑‑ they wanted to be more prepared. So now we have included in the last three years a self assisted virtual training prior to the school, its last two months. Not all the time, of course. Three hours per week. With videos that we have produced and material that we have produced. It's not copy paste. And then the school. And what we did last year, we partner with university. So for those students that have complied with the evaluations of the first two stage is the virtual and hybrid whether they are virtual or on site, they can do a research with the university and receive a university diploma on Internet governance and regulations. None of these things is paid for the if he will Lowe's. Everything is for free for the fellows and at the container school of Internet governance we have another university in Argentina and we would offer this year certifications from ‑‑ we have some fellowships I think like fellow ships for doing a certification for free in cybersecurity. So I think we are ‑‑ I think said a very interesting thing that schools become kind of a vortex of activities related with Internet governance at the national level. And last ‑‑ at the beginning of this year we did a survey with the students and we produced a document for the global digital compact, which is published in the global digital compact. We did that with more than 80 if he will Lowe's automatic over the world, three languages, Spanish English and port jeez always work online. With the students this year we're working on a different document how to enhance the multistakeholder model through participation of if he will Lowe's. I have the material, I have to work with the team to do a document but this will be in the near future. Maybe other schools would like to comment or?
>> (Away from microphone).
>> Satish Babu: We have roughly half an hour for discussions, after we'll do wind up. We have several speakers is Olga, you would you like to go again?
>> No.
>> Satish Babu: We have from euro SIGG. Wolfgang?
>> Olga: The father of all the schools.
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>> Olga: The Internet governance father.
>> Wolfgang: It's always suspicious if you clap your hands and you get applause before you have said anything because probably I will say something with which you disagree which will not produce any applause.
But I think the ‑‑ you know, it's always good where to remember where all this comes from and it's fantastic to see how crazy idea has triggered development where we've seen so many schools which are inspired by the pace sick idea. You know, the ‑‑ as you remember the world summit on information in Tunis adopt add pro definition of Internet governance, which included the evolution and use of the Internet, that means the technical layer and the application layer which are the so‑called Internet related public policy issues and this goes from cybersecurity to digital economy to human rights to different intelligence a lot of other things and so the problem is that Internet governance is such a multidisciplinary approach which you cannot study and regular university. You have to study law or political science or informatics or something else. So that means the idea of the founding fathers of this summer school was to find a format which would be realistic and allow this multidisciplinary presentation both from technical and a political perspective, from a practical and then academic perspective. So I think this was the challenge and so the pilot to use the format of a summer school of a one week course. So over the years what I think we have seen is that this is really interesting format because it's very flexible. So you can address this to special needs, special local needs or to special target group needs and you can have one week or one year virtual course. Weekend course. If you follow more or less or base the concept on the pro definition on the Tunis agenda then you can pick some element but you are rooted in the process. I think this is also important for the self understanding of the schools, as they contribute to a process which is inspired by the program of action and the principles of the world summit and the information society. So for instance when we had the preconference with Kyoto university, the Brazilian school presented its model and say we have weekend courses, and this, and you can have courses also for special target groups. We are discussing now to have a special course for parliamentarians or government officials or for ‑‑ I think we heard in the open plenary there was a judge from Africa who said I'm the only judge here. So we have the legislative, that's the government ‑‑ the parliament, the executive is the government but what about the judges? And a lot of conflicts in the world of tomorrow will be at least then go to a court and if you have no idea what Internet governance is probably they make stupid decisions. And so far you know judges are an important target group and you can ‑‑ and that's my format is a very good one it's flexible and that's why it's encouragement also for academics as groups in many countries to take this as a source of information. There is no single model that we have started this in ‑‑ it was testing out way ‑‑ if you go to our first course in 2007, it's so different over today so that means you have to be open to a changing environment and as you have seen also here issues like AI we're not on the agenda ten, 15 years ago but ‑‑ and we have new questions how is this all related, confusing concepts like what is digital governance, is this different from Internet governance? It means AI governments, cyber governments. It means confusion. Schools that are important to bring more clarity to the processes that you avoid this confusion and we have a better understanding. So it's a work in progress. It will never finish. Something said in an ICANN meeting, Internet governance is like stumbling forward. So that means small steps are better than big jumps but be very careful and be inspired what you want to achieve and what is the target group. I think these are two or three key questions you have to ask yourself if you start to develop a program. And feel free because the beauty of an academic person so independence is important. So do not try to ‑‑ take your inspiration from the global community and say what is good for my country, my community and be proactive.
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>> Satish Babu: Does anybody have any request he?
>> Olga: Anrietta wanted to speak.
>> Anrietta: I want to speak to the evolution.
Can I come and stand here?
I think this point is really interesting to the evolution. I agree with everything Olga said. I think we have to be ‑‑ there is no perfect model. But some things I think are standing out. I think firstly there is a lot more other people ‑‑
>> Mic is off.
>> Anrietta: Other institutions that are delivering training. For example, UNESCO is training judges and judiciary in Internet‑related policy. But they're not really part of this network. There's also quite a lot of training for regulators as well not part of this network. And I think the big difference is that they don't emphasize the multistakeholder approach to the same extent. I think what's unique about what we do is that even when we are focusing on a particular group of practitioners or professions we always bring that diversity to the conversation. But the other things that have struck me is that this increased need and it came out a little bit at Euro SIGG this year. Euro SIGG is my inspiration about the social impact of the Internet. I feel there's more of a demand now to not just learn how Internet governance operates and who's involved in Internet governance but to have a deeper understanding of how do we as an Internet community respond to some of the social impact issues, so looking at misinformation, looking at education, looking at democracy, at political processes, looking at the media and how the media environment is affected. And I find this very challenging, you know, because it kind of is crossing over out of the narrow Internet governance and maybe even out of the broad definition, Wolfgang, but I think it's interesting to do that and to think about it.
And the other thing I think we might want to think about is ‑‑ the same cohort of people and doing a follow‑up. So, you know doing ‑‑ I can't speak for the south school, sorry, but having a group of people like that and having maybe the same people rather than having a new group every year so that you actually deepen the engagement. I don't know if we have the capacity to do that but it is something that has occurred to me that might be quite a useful thing to do.
I do think we need to evolve.
>> Olga: Thank you. And we do have fellows that come to several schools and that's very interesting because they evolve with the group. Not all of them. This year we have 400. 200 on site 200 virtual. They are coming to several schools which was extremely seen the ‑‑ some of them have become speakers in the experts or become ‑‑ they start to work in companies and become experts in the next editions.
We have some neighbors here but ‑‑
>> Mudil, would you like to ‑‑ your name is listed here as one of the short intervention. Can you make short intervention about the ‑‑
>> (Away from microphone).
>> Thank you. This is Ben from Binion. Can I go in French? Maybe I can also ‑‑
>> We have ‑‑ you have to be really slow because my French is ‑‑
>> No, we need somebody to translate. He would speak a couple lines. So if we have someone that volunteers as being good enough to ‑‑ okay.
>> Olga.
>> I will do it in English. Don't worry.
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>> Olga: I was wanting to try my French, okay.
>> Okay, this is Benhash from Benin chapter. Also organize the school of governance. Last September it was from September 11 to 15th September. So it was five day training. So we have some participants from Benin, Tug and also from Chad. So there were about 32 people who attend. So we ‑‑ during the five day they have many session and many training as well. So it was really amazing because ‑‑ how they're going to be engaged and now some of the fellow here on site also attending the IGF like me.
Thank you.
>> Olga: Thanks to you. Bravo.
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>> Olga: We have Andrea.
Sorry, how do you pronounce it?
>> (Away from microphone).
>> Olga: That's difficult for me.
>> Yes. Hi again. It's Abdajil from Chad. I'm coordinator national ‑‑ it's not national school Internet governance. So we funded in 2019, funded by house of Africa and the main objective is to bring as you know Chad and ICT use digital professional closer to the global Internet system. Because what shows there's not mane ‑‑ can be ICANN, IGF and other systems. So to fill the gap as I say of second ‑‑ and the policy development process, national, regional international ecosystems. First edition we organize in partnership. In partnership with government is national called IGT. Collaborate with them. Fourteen to 15 December. 2020 it was in Yumena, bring people from outside also. From Tunisia and there's some people in ICANN also ‑‑ it is the first time organize this school in Chad. Really appreciate it political side also, first tile we teach people from the sector and nonsector also. So in this year so we have 15 participants from 35 entities and ministry parliamentary Civil Society use et cetera. So this year we organized our second edition. It will be from sixth to eighth December. Will be in German also. We need your support, your contribution also. It can be online. It can be ‑‑ very important for us. So I need to stop there I thank you so much, yes.
>> Olga: Thank you so much.
>> (Away from microphone).
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>> Satish Babu: (Away from microphone).
Sorry. I said this is a comment from Abdulla Qamar. This inclusion of children aged ten to 18 in emerging stem education programs within the framework of Internet governance. It is a forward‑thinking and crucial step towards achieving SDGs. By providing them with early exposure to stem disciplines in the context of Internet governance we can foster a generation of digitally literate responsible and socially conscience individuals. Furthermore, teaching Internet governance principles to young minds can instill values of online safety, digital ethics and respect for human rights in the digital sphere, aligning with several SDGs that emphasize inclusive, peace, and justice.
>> Olga: Was that a question or comment?
>> Satish Babu: Comment.
>> Olga. I would like to comment. At the school of governance we do have a lot of high school students attending the school, especially high school student of the last year where there are mainly technical schools and some of them are quite engaged after that and interested in following IT careers and following also online discussions about different issues about Internet governance. Not in the global one. We have young people. Don't have age limits but I don't remember we had high school students but mainly they are young professionals. But in Argentina one year we had a lot of high school students which I think it was very interesting.
>> Satish Babu: We have something called India youth IGF which also covers young people. Not in the school but above school. So I think the floor is now open for comments.
>> Olga: Yes, other comments.
Aubrey.
>> Thanks. I'd like to make a comment. Within this theme but more about the Dynamic Coalition itself and its roll in doing that. I don't organize a school. I just go to a bunch of them.
And one of the things is the Dynamic Coalition and its usefulness both in having the schools communicate to each other, having the schools learn from each other and also doing the multistakeholder model. One of the things for example we try to a moderate degree of success and failure, we mix it both ways, is to have the Dynamic Coalition be extremely bottom up and basically sort of always, I don't know if you guys notice that follow it constantly begging somebody to say something, do something and where the Dynamic Coalition it wrote documents, you know, it produced materials that hopefully could be useful to schools and it may be the kind of thing that could be useful to look at again whether there's something for example in the notion of the multistakeholder model, how it's seen, how it works, that would produce things that could sort of help the schools themselves sort of bootstrap programs in that. The Dynamic Coalition cannot obviously force any kind of learning on anybody or any kind of curriculum but certainly as a way to make these things available to the other schools. So I'm just sort of wondering whether that makes sense to people that there is a help in the dynamic and can we use it more for the schools? What would the schools want from a Dynamic Coalition to help them in teaching governance understanding the ‑‑ you know, the multistakeholder model and the evolution of the model. And those are just kind of things I was thinking about that I don't do a school but I do Dynamic Coalitions and I teach at schools.
>> Olga: In the Web site where we have the map, I think we have the possibility of sharing information documents. That should be ‑‑
>> Right. Perhaps.
>> That should be interesting for us to remember because even myself sometimes I for get.
>> Yeah, we have a Wiki space and some have, for example, you know, the North American school, Glen has been amazing in terms of contributeing pieces of curricula and others. And it's open for anybody to be able to do that. Yeah, let me see if I can bring that up while we keep talking.
>> Olga: That document in three languages ‑‑ for the global digital document we're talking on a different document for multistakeholder model and other things that we all may have that it's a good space to share because we have the map. We can see the whole map of all the schools and maybe others can consult and share information. Honestly, it's lack of time it's not lack of interest. I actually for get because apart of this I have to work.
>> Just a quick question for Aubrey. Sorry Martin it's lack of time.
What happened with the collaboration between the D.C. and the IGF secretariate on the IGF capacity building?
>> Olga: That was last year.
>> That was basically a one‑time thing where they took the document that we had spent several years developing and produced there and I guess were you secretary or were you chair at the time? But basically and produced a document of their own that I haven't followed up to see how it gets distributed, whether it gets distributed, whether there's been any feedback on it and said gee, nice document but it would be great to have XY and Z added to it. I have not followed up and that might be a good thing to do in the next year is follow up with the secretariate and see did you use this? How many schools came and got it. How many schools tried to use it? How many schools found it useful? How many schools didn't find it useful and why? So it's a good idea as a thing to follow up on.
>> Martin: Amongst things I also support was said before him by you that the global form for sovereign expertise and there we have a trek on triple I and justice trust of the Internet and e‑mail in the region by use of modern Internet standards and global group practice. Now, if you go to GFCE triple I, you'll find there a handbook that explains these standards and why they matter and also relate to some of the global good practices that you could refer to. So maybe this is also a resource that could end up on this page as a possible resource for schools. Basically to teach it, you only need one person who understands the issues good enough to explain it because the material is there. So yeah.
>> Can you repeat the Web site?
>> GFCE for global firm for sovereign expertise and then triple I. If you Google for that you'll find it.
>> Right away the global forum for cyber expertise which came out so‑called London process which started UK government 15 years ago will have a work conference on capacity building end of November in Ghana so in Africa. I think this is probably a good opportunity for our African colleagues to link to this. So the proper forum on the cyber expertise had this root in the issue of cybersecurity. This was also the main target of the so‑called London process to concentrate on cybersecurity, less on the rotor Internet related issues. But cybersecurity is such a central thing and I would recommend in particular African friends to make use of this opportunity in Ghana.
>> Yeah, so ‑‑
>> It's GC3B. To Google them. You need to get an invite.
>> Thanks, Martin. I think for us it's been very useful. We have been running these workshops, the fourth one we just completed and it's been very useful and it has even put us on a path towards an action item a new project.
I have two comments I don't know line. I'll read them out. Both are from Keiko. The first one relates to the children. On the previous comment, dynamic teen coalition, maybe the place to go for focus on teens. It's a new effort. Question, any chances of opening up education resources or youth MOOC OER? I think it is online education resources?
>> (Away from microphone).
>> Do you want to respond to this question?
>> I asked.
>> Satish Babu: So sorry.
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>> Satish Babu: Does anybody want to respond to this?
>> Anrietta: I think it's really good you are raising that. I think UNESCO is reinvigorating a bit their open educational resources program.
>> But I don't see it coming to the IGF.
>> And it's not really coming. So I think it's actually important. There's also some MOOCs that have been established. So in Africa there's one on Internet governance training for journalists that was actually developed with also some ‑‑ I can't remember it right now but I think that the thing about if we were to work an online educational ‑‑ open educational resources we would have to standardize and I think that's the challenge because open educational resources it kind of works if you use standardized templates and formats. Otherwise you just have a repository. Dynamic Coalition already gives us that space for the repository but it's a good conversation to start.
>> thank you.
>> If I can, I'm trying to share the Web site and I don't know ‑‑ okay. It's up now. And I can go through it a little if people want in just a few minutes. There is a Web site that has been maintained. Basically there's mailing lists and archive. There's about DC meetings. There's the schools on IG. I think that's the one that may have the map.
Yep, there's the map. Basically each of the schools is offered is requested, obviously it's up to each of the schools whether they want to but basically there's a form that you fill out and you get your school with a marker on the map and then, you know, you click on it and you get the name of the school and some information. So that's good. There's a fellow section where fellows who basically put themselves of if he will Lowe's so they can be found by others. They can perhaps be reached out to as possible teachers, et cetera. If you're looking for a teacher for your school, you know, especially remote unless, you know, then it's a place to go and sort of say okay this person was a fellow, et cetera. Faculties. Some of the faculties list each other. I don't know how many of us have listed each other, but we can and at that point others can find pieces of faculty. Members of faculty, not pieces of faculty. Somebody should teach me how to talk. Then we have a D.C. Wiki that lists a lot of schools and any of the schools sort of listing when they are when they were formed. There's current work. There's a place ‑‑ let me see. Where you can basically put ‑‑ I'm looking for ‑‑ not for the form. There's materials. It's still only one school that's done it but there's the materials provided by schools participating. So any of you that are like really proud of your curriculum, a course you put together, really proud of whatever it is about your school you're really proud of to make public and available to the other schools you've got it. So the North American school here, you know, basically provides a whole set of individual provided material, operations manual, introduction, plan, recruitment. So there is already a rich collection of information there. It could be so much richer. It's purely a voluntary effort but it could be so much richer if those of you that want what your school does to be visible and useable by others you took advantage of it.
>> Since Aubrey is is mentioning the Wiki Web site, it's up for a while already and I find it a bit sad that not really many have made because of the use of Wiki because it would ab great source for a global network of faculties of fellows of schools of exchanging material, et cetera. The point is and I'm saying that you're on the record on purpose because it's getting difficult meanwhile the Wiki and the Web site and ‑‑ only supported by our association which is organizing the euro ‑‑ if anyone here in the room, any school or any other organization has some left over budgets to support our work that would really help to engage more into the Dynamic Coalition because doing it involuntary work is one thing and everyone who is contributeing to the dynamic contribution is contributeing on a voluntary basis already but at least a secretariate and the digital sources we all need to work with ‑‑ they need to be funded and at the moment euro SIGG is the only source of funding. We are taking it basically from our euro SIGG budget. I could believe that most or many of the school could dedicate a little bit of ‑‑ it doesn't need to be big money. I think if everyone contributes a little money that would really help to maintain these resources and also to help the Dynamic Coalition to move forward.
I needed to say that. Sorry.
>> So we have one hand up.
Two things is, one is a question, one is a comment. The first question has there been an effort or initiative or talk about having world school or Internet governance global school of Internet governance? I know there are regional, national. This network has expanded so much over the last years that maybe not there is a time where all of us could pool in resources and look something at organize ago global school on Internet governance or something like that. We are IDIGF, this is a global forum for discussion on IG but we're here we are this room is the room which develops capacities for Internet leaders to come over here and talk about these issues. But what about our own forum? I know this DSIG is here and we organize a session every year at DIGF but if we cannot pull in resources to organize a global school, can we leverage this particular D.C., maybe organize more events around it, maybe have quarterly calls the schools interested could share what they did? This to have more collaboration within the SIGGs rather than having let's say one meeting per year where we come down for ‑‑ it's so inspiring honestly coming from ‑‑ seeing how these schools are doing it and since this network is growing I think this is an opportunity to actually leverage this potential and probably make something which is global or at least cooperative within the SIGGs. Thank you.
>> Thanks. I think global schools sitting on either side, first one, second one both of them have come from regional to global. So there are these things already in place. The discussions in here in D.C. are at the middle level where we don't work at Internet governance but we talk about things associated with it, what are the constraints, evolution and so on. So we have to probably not think about this kind of proposal that you put up. One of the thing I wanted to mention is India school has put all their content from the first to eighth edition on the Web site. It's very interesting to look at the 2016 course content and then the later ones and see where it has taken us. There is actually a very clear journey that has happened in these eight years. We have five minutes more. Are there any burning questions?
>> I would like to make a comment on the content that the school has is issued in our YouTube channel in two or three languages. After each school or team divides each of the panelists or key notes into different videos with a clear sign who's talking and the issue and the language. So all that content is available. And also one experience that we had since almost the beginning is that with all the group of students we create a telegram group that it's active since the school and it doesn't stop and some members of our team are feeding all the time different fellow ship opportunities working opportunities, research and news about Internet governance. So that has been working very well and keep on the momentum in between the groups of students.
>> Satish Babu: Thanks. I think we now have to think of winding up. Would anybody like to make any closing statement?
>> Not really. I invite ‑‑ I don't know if our Rapporteur wishes to make a quick summary statement listed on the agenda but you don't have to unless you feel comfortable but because what we do have to produce is we'll have to produce a statement or two that comes out of here and if you have such a statement that you could get to the group, that would be great.
Do you want the mic?
>> (Speaking in French).
>> Olga: If you speak slowly, I can translate.
>> (Speaking in French).
>> He was speaking French because his English is not so good.
He's from Codavar and you're organizing first IGF ‑‑ school of Internet governance. Sorry, my French is limited.
So they are going to open the west African furrow.
So you're hosting the west African IGF this year, yes.
You both help me. That was too much for me.
>> Organize of school of Internet governance so they need to bring all the people together so they need the support of all the people here, it can be a speaker, it can be financier, human resources. So what he need to tell us here. So he's very happy to be here.
>> Olga: Thank you. Thank you so much.
>> Audience: Okay. So my English is very new me too. So at some time I was lost in ‑‑ with my translator in my head so I have a few take away that I write it down, oh, skew me.
>> We have about two minutes.
>> Audience: Yeah. As the topics was the SDGs, I notice for the SDG five on gender, Mr. Sandra from share with us the work that seek doing to have inclusive and have a very ‑‑ topics about these things, for the SDG seven on access to energy, Ms. Olga explained that access to energy and climate change have an link so they have a few panel discussing on this topic and its impact of the consume of energy. So excuse me, if I made some mistakes. I will ‑‑ later. Mr. Alexander from Russia speaks about SDG on peace and justice and say that the SIGG can help new standards help and the multi stakeholders process like in ICANN and also enforces inclusion and effectiveness. From the SDG five, Ms. Olga taught about the new era of ‑‑ which is leadership development. She said this year she have a lot of parliament who came to enforce their knowledge about Internet governance and many of these fellow are here to discuss with the parliament track.
>> Thank you very much. Thank you everyone. So final words. I think we have to use the Wiki more. Can you remind us the URL?
>> IGschools.net.
>> Olga: We should contribute more. It's always ‑‑ time is not lack of volunteering but it's a time issue. Apart from the school I do have to work, which this is kind of a hobby.
>> Satish Babu: So thanks to everybody who have come to the session online as well as physically here. It is a very great session so we are now looking forward to working inclusive with the D.C.
>> Olga: Thank you, everyone.